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Created Nov 29, 2015 by Trac@tracbot

doc/TorPlusVPN confusing and/or inconsistent - refinements, please.

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorPlusVPN is confusing, and possibly incorrect/inconsistent in terms of self-consistency.

-- granted, it's a sophisticated topic, and although I might not be a guru in all things, I'm not a 'newbie'.

(1) Given: "X in this article stands for, "either a VPN, SSH or proxy""

(2): (2.1) } you -> X -> Tor (2.2) } you -> VPN/SSH -> Tor

By (1), (2.2) is covered by (2.1), thus the presence of (2.2) makes one go, Huh, what, this is covered above! i.e. That (2.2) is the refinement of a specific case of (2.1) is not immediately apparent. I suspect part of the problem is little header formatting difference between the two - if the character sizes are different, they aren't sufficiently different that the difference is immediately apparent. Suggestion: Underline (2.1).

(3): } you -> Tor -> x } This is generally a really poor plan.

-- a link as to why it's a poor plan would be useful.

(4) } you -> Tor -> VPN/SSH

-- same comment as (2) -- if (3) is bad, (4) should be just as bad, yet the descriptive text infers that the approach is 'reasonable'. -- "You can also route VPN/SSH services through Tor." --= This is what caused me to register to submit this ticket. --=- Shouldn't this be 'You can also route Tor through VPN/SSH services'??? --=- Thus, confusing, and it's hard enough following the ball as it bounces through this. i.e. If it shouldn't be that, it's not apparent that it shouldn't be that - which is to say the article being clearer would be useful. If it should be as suggested ... -- "In our experience, establishing VPN connections through Tor is chancy" but one is reading this to establish Tor -> VPN, so one questions if this pertains to what they're trying to find out about, confusion results ... and the (excellent) purpose in writing the article in the first place isn't being met.

I don't mean to say that I am reading correctly, and thus making accurate comments, however, if I'm not, it's not apparent or clear that I'm not. Perhaps refactoring the article makes sense.

(5) } general

I got to this article as it is made clear that Tor anonymizes TCP traffic. I was looking to see that all other traffic was anonymized as well. (Let alone, more traffic leaks from a machine than I can possibly track, so having a catch all seems prudent.) 'General' referring to this use case / reason for coming to consume the article would be useful. i.e. Means one has gotten to a page that addresses what they're thinking about - if this page does not deal with that use case, a link to such other as does would be useful.

(6) } Practical

I got to this article from whonix. This reference makes things circular. Something to help one break this circular reference would be useful.

Thanks for listening.

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