DuckDuckGo Onion should be the default instead of DuckDuckGo

added TorBrowserTeam202006 in Legacy / Trac component::applications/tor browser in Legacy / Trac owner::tbb-team in Legacy / Trac points::0.25 in Legacy / Trac priority::medium in Legacy / Trac reporter::lolscreen in Legacy / Trac severity::normal in Legacy / Trac status::needs-information in Legacy / Trac tor-hs in Legacy / Trac type::defect in Legacy / Trac labels

Before that is going to happen we'd need some data on whether DDG can handle our load and how large the performance drop-down for searches would be.

Replying to gk:

Before that is going to happen we'd need some data on whether DDG can handle our load and how large the performance drop-down for searches would be.

In my experience, the onion searches are faster, not slower. And they're much faster than Disconnect (the old default). But yes, we need some data.

DDG onion should use Single Onion Service (SOS), will be very interesting to see this, if Tor team say it to they, they will use SOS because they are very comprehensive about tor users in opposition of StartPage...

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Username: i139

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Username: tokotoko
Cc: N/A to fdsfgs@krutt.org

Closed legacy/trac#22761 (moved) as a duplicate.

legacy/trac#23775 (moved) is a duplicate.

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legacy/trac#24379 (moved) is practically a duplicate, although the OP argues it is for about:tor instead of the search bar.

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Keywords: N/A deleted, tor-hs added

legacy/trac#20428 (moved) is a duplicate, focused on mobile.

Mentioning the reason for why DDG-onion on about:tor at first before doing anything else is a good idea:

This is feasible since only a very few percentage of Tor Browser users make initial searches on about:tor, thus, its load and performance drop-down should be minimal if this gets implemented.

note: different cypherpunks nym user here than the previous comments.

is this change planned soon? (or ever?)

ironically, since any deviation from the defaults makes one's traffic unique, choosing to manually select the onion service from the search preferences could be argued to reduce one's anonymity

conversely making the default a dot onion provides a great example of a lawful, useful onion service

making the default a dot onion provides a great example of a lawful, useful onion service

I agree with this cypherpunk. I hope the change is made soon.

Please make the default on about:tor first then on the whole browser.

+1 to make the onion the default.

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Username: rex4539

Do we know if DDG are using a SOS or anonymous circuits? We should discuss this with them before we make a change like this.

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Keywords: N/A deleted, TorBrowserTeam202001 added
Status: new to needs_information

Yes, it does.

Do we know if DDG are using a SOS or anonymous circuits?

DDG onion use Single Onion Service (SOS)

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Points: N/A to 0.25

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Cc: fdsfgs@krutt.org, Dbryrtfbcbhgf, dmr to fdsfgs@krutt.org, Dbryrtfbcbhgf, dmr, intrigeri

Moving tickets to February

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Keywords: TorBrowserTeam202001 deleted, TorBrowserTeam202002 added

no time for this in near future, we should also discuss with DDG before making such a change

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Keywords: TorBrowserTeam202002 deleted, TorBrowserTeam202006 added

legacy/trac#33089 (moved) is a duplicate

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Cc: fdsfgs@krutt.org, Dbryrtfbcbhgf, dmr, intrigeri to fdsfgs@krutt.org, Dbryrtfbcbhgf, dmr, intrigeri, David_Hedlund, alwayslivid

It should be noted that the search suggestion provider that the upstream Tor Browser uses (https://ac.duckduckgo.com) does not have an onion service, so maybe consulting with them about that as well would also be a pretty good idea.

Hypothetically, I believe that a change like this could give off the impression of an additional security layer to the end user, but in reality, that layer would be effectively useless, since all the suggestions would have to go through the search/suggestion providers without the change itself. There's also the alternative of completely removing the suggestion provider, although I'd frankly rule that out.

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Username: alwayslivid

Replying to alwayslivid:

It should be noted that the search suggestion provider that the upstream Tor Browser uses (https://ac.duckduckgo.com) does not have an onion service, so maybe consulting with them about that as well would also be a pretty good idea.

It should be noted, there is DDG search suggestion hsv2 onion.

[https://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion/ac/?callback=autocompleteCallback&q=tor]

curl -s https://3g2upl4pq6kufc4m.onion/ac/?q=torproject
[{"phrase":"torproject.org"},{"phrase":"tor project"},{"phrase":"torproject.org download"},{"phrase":"torproject onion"},{"phrase":"torproject apk"},{"phrase":"torproject ios"},{"phrase":"torproject safe"},{"phrase":"torproject down"}]