service/lists.md

@@ -61,16 +61,18 @@ Don't forget to update the [list of mailing lists](#list-of-mailing-lists) upon
 New to Tor? If so then welcome! Our most important lists are as
 follows...
 
- * [tor-talk@](https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk) - High traffic general discussion list, useful for
-   general user questions and discussion. The list's lack of
-   moderation is something we're growing to view as a problem, and as
-   such might not be the best place at present.
  * [tor-dev@](https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev) - Discussion list for developers, researchers, and
    other technical discussions.
  * [tor-relays@](https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays) - Discussion list for relay operators.
  * [tor-project@](https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-project) - Discussion list for tor contributors. Only
    active and past tor contributors can post to this list.
 
+For general discussion and user questions, [tor-talk@][] was used in the past,
+but it has been retired and replaced by the [Tor Project users forum][].
+
+[tor-talk@]: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/
+[Tor Project users forum]: https://forum.torproject.org
+
 ## How do I get permission to post to tor-project@
 
 Just ask. Anyone is allowed to watch, but posting is restricted to
@@ -143,8 +145,6 @@ The following are lists with subscriber generated threads.
 | **List**                     | **Maintainer**                              | **Type** | **Description**                                                                                              |
 |------------------------------|---------------------------------------------|----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
 | [tor-project](https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-project)             | arma, atagar, gamambel                      | Public   | Moderated discussion list for active contributors.                                                           |
-| [tor-talk](https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk)                | saint, pili, phw, sysrqb, gaba              | Public   | all discussion about theory, design, and development of Onion Routing                                        |
-| [tor-users](https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-users)               | qbi, saint, gamambel, gunner                | Public   | General discussion list about the technical aspects of Tor and its subprojects                               |
 | [tor-dev](https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-dev)                 | teor, pili, phw, sysrqb, gaba               | Public   | Development related discussion list.                                                                         |
 | [tor-onions](https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-onions)              | teor, dgoulet, asn, pili, phw, sysrqb, gaba | Public   | technical discussion about running Tor onion (hidden) services                                               |
 | [tor-relays](https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-relays)              | teor, pili, phw, sysrqb, gaba               | Public   | Relay operation support.                                                                                     |